now there's upset because of inaction, and, you know, under the bush administration there was upset because of action. so it's a struggle to find that fine line. >> host: i think it's break time. [laughter] >> guest: great. >> on the go? "after words" is available via podcast. visit booktv.org and click podcast on the upper left side of the page. select which podcast you'd like to download and listen to "after words" while you travel. >> host: and then there was libya which could argue be a success. some people say, you know, a distraction or what not but certainly a place where hillary clinton played a pivotal role. she travels to to france as you document in your book, and she basically wants to make sure that other people are going to contribute before -- and it doesn't seem like she's giving hints that the obama administration is going to act, but she wants to first make sure that other people will act with the united states if there's action. so explain, explain what she, what she's doing in france. >> guest: well, first, let me give you the context of that trip because it was one of t